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Original: Lenny Rachitsky · 12/04/2026
Summary
Keith Rabois discusses hiring frameworks, the importance of customer interaction, and the evolving role of PMs in the AI era during his conversation with Lenny Rachitsky.Key Insights
“Why talking to customers is actively harmful for consumer products.” — Discussing the pitfalls of customer interaction in product development.
“The PM role is dying.” — Commenting on the changing landscape of product management.
“The barrels vs. ammunition hiring framework.” — Introducing a new perspective on hiring strategies.
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Keith Rabois was an early executive at PayPal (part of the famous PayPal Mafia), COO at Square, VP of Corporate Development at LinkedIn, and an early investor in Stripe, DoorDash, Airbnb, YouTube, Ramp, and Palantir. Currently hes managing director at Khosla Ventures. Also, he hasnt touched a computer since September 2010 (he does everything from an iPad).Listen on YouTube, Spotify, and Apple PodcastsIn our in-depth conversation, Keith shares:The barrels vs. ammunition hiring framework (and how to spot barrels)Why talking to customers is actively harmful for consumer productsHow to identify undiscovered talentWhy the PM role is dyingThe three traits of the best-performing companies right nowThe specific interview question he asks every senior candidateWhy CMOs (not engineers) are becoming the #1 consumer of tokensBrought to you by: WorkOSModern identity platform for B2B SaaS, free up to 1 million MAUs Vantaautomate compliance, manage risk, and accelerate trust with AIWhere to find Keith Rabois: X: https://x.com/rabois LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/keith Website: https://www.khoslaventures.comReferenced: Square: https://squareup.com Jack Dorsey on X: https://x.com/jack Head of Claude Code: What happens after coding is solved | Boris Cherny: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/head-of-claude-code-what-happens Simon Willisons Weblog: https://simonwillison.net Vinod Khosla on X: https://x.com/vkhosla Peter Thiel on X: https://x.com/peterthiel Max Levchin on X: https://x.com/mlevchin David Sacks on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidoliversacks Tony Xu on X: https://x.com/t_xu David Sze on X: https://x.com/davidsze Faire: https://www.faire.com Max Rhodes on X: https://x.com/MaxRhodesOK Jeffrey Kolovson on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffreykolovson Uncapped | Comparative Advantages w/ Keith Rabois: https://www.khoslaventures.com/posts/uncapped-comparative-advantages-w-keith-rabois Lattice: https://lattice.com Taylor Francis on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/taylor-francis-4ba49640 Building product at Stripe: craft, metrics, and customer obsession | Jeff Weinstein (Product lead): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/building-product-at-stripe-jeff-weinstein The art of hiring: insights from Khosla Ventures, Airbnb, Ramp and Traba: https://ramp.com/velocity/the-art-of-hiring-insights Eric Glyman: Seek out super individual contributors (ICs): https://ramp.com/velocity/the-art-of-hiring-insights#Eric-Glyman:-Seek-out-super-individual-contributors-(ICs) Eric Glyman on X: https://x.com/eglyman Mike Moore on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mike-moore-802223177 Brian Cheskys new playbook: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/brian-cheskys-contrarian-approach Why you should work much harder RIGHT NOW: https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2026/03/why-you-should-work-much-harder-right-now.html Opendoor: https://www.opendoor.com The Craft of Early Stage Venture | Peter Fenton, General Partner at Benchmark | Uncapped with Jack Altman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRiblwiXt-Q Lovable: https://lovable.dev The rise of the professional vibe coder (a new AI-era job) | Lazar Jovanovic (Professional Vibe Coder): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/getting-paid-to-vibe-code Building Lovable: $10M ARR in 60 days with 15 people | Anton Osika (co-founder and CEO): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/building-lovable-anton-osika Marc Andreessen: The real AI boom hasnt even started yet: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/marc-andreessen-the-real-ai-boom Jeremy Stoppelman on X: https://x.com/jeremys The design process is dead. Heres whats replacing it. | Jenny Wen (head of design at Claude): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/the-design-process-is-dead Andy Warhol: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Warhol Curation and Algorithms: https://stratechery.com/2015/curation-and-algorithms Ernest Hemingway: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernest_Hemingway William Shakespeare: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Shakespeare Evan Moore on X: https://x.com/evancharles Andrew Mason on X: https://x.com/andrewmason Read Taylor Swifts Full Viral Speech After Record-Breaking Awards Sweep: https://www.newsweek.com/entertainment/read-taylor-swift-full-acceptance-speech-record-breaking-awards-sweep-11745941 The Chainsmokers: Stories Behind the Songs, AIs Impact on Music, and Venture Investing | Uncapped with Jack Altman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GMSC-2pYnw&list=PLtpH7YnTL8ihy0nR2BV32n5VkRtqlDAS1&index=16 How to spot a top 1% startup early: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/how-to-spot-a-top-1-startup-early David Weiden on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidweiden Alfred Lin on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/linalfred Keiths post about vertical integration on X: https://x.com/rabois/status/870673635375104000 Jon Chu on X: https://x.com/jonchu Kanu Gulati on X: https://x.com/KanuGulati Rogo: https://rogo.ai Profound: https://www.tryprofound.com Basis: https://www.getbasis.ai Spellbook: https://www.spellbook.legal Roelof Botha on X: https://x.com/roelofbotha Delian Asparouhov on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/delian-asparouhov-87447742 Lessons From Keith Rabois, Essay 1: How to become a Venture Capitalist: https://delian.io/lessons-1 Velocity over everything: How Ramp became the fastest-growing SaaS startup of all time | Geoff Charles (VP of Product): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/velocity-over-everything-how-ramp Nuremberg on AppleTV+: https://tv.apple.com/us/movie/nuremberg/umc.cmc.3sg4y0382byupy76bfy7307k4 Eight Sleep: https://www.eightsleep.com NO DAYS OFFBill Belichick on X: https://x.com/SNFonNBC/status/829036279069364224Recommended books: Creativity, Inc.: Overcoming the Unseen Forces That Stand in the Way of True Inspiration: https://www.amazon.com/Creativity-Inc-Overcoming-Unseen-Inspiration/dp/0812993012 The Jordan Rules: The Inside Story of One Turbulent Season with Michael Jordan and the Chicago Bulls: https://www.amazon.com/Jordan-Rules-Sam-Smith/dp/0671796666 The Upside of Stress: Why Stress Is Good for You, and How to Get Good at It: https://www.amazon.com/Upside-Stress-Why-Good-You/dp/1101982934Production and marketing by https://penname.co/. 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Originally published at https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/hard-truths-about-building-in-the-ai-era.